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				<title>Re: Awards?</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2015 22:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Swatacular</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>1334003</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>I'm sure that of all these ideas I was one of the people that wanted to do the &quot;pot&quot; idea, However.. After seeing several of your comments and having similar competitions in my present life with my family and friends, I actually like the Custom awards idea a lot more.</p> <p>As rb said, The more the merrier, I may be giving something out aswell.</p> <p>*lets just hope everyone really tries this time around and it will be a tough decision as to who had the best game/ect.*</p> 
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				<title>Re: Awards?</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2015 14:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Yeah, I definitely wouldn't expect anybody to actually do it, other than myself. The idea is to open it up to allow other people to do it, in case they want to. Obviously the more the merrier, but based on the size of the competitions in the past, my three awards of $5 to $10 would probably feel like plenty to go around.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Awards?</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2015 05:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Marcus42</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>1823111</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Actually, I think this is a really great idea. The pot idea was suggested back in Competition #3, I think, and I wasn't too crazy about it then either, but the custom awards idea has a ton of potential and could be a lot of fun. I'm not sure how many people would actually offer awards and go through with it, but I have no objections for giving it a shot, nor do I see any potential problems.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Awards?</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2015 16:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>rbwhitaker</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>88099</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Yeah, your point about people popping in for a quick buck is probably way more likely than the legal issues I was concerned about.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Awards?</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2015 15:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Ninjaboi8175</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>2007137</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>I'm not too fond of the pot idea now that I think about it. Sure there are the legal concerns which are pretty significant ( though unlikely to happen ) but also that many could argue what constitutes a finished game. I remember you bringing up alpha funding and how there's quite a grey area with some great games as to where you draw the line for alpha and a full game. Since when you are buying a game in alpha you know that the game doesn't have all the features the developer wants it to have, but at the same time it could be in a state where it's relatively stable and could even be fine on its own if the developer up and left the project altogether.</p> <p>What draws the line for me is a similar concern to yours: strangers popping in, making something real quick or upright just copy-pasting a previous work they did, and saying it's a finished game in the hopes that they get more than just what they put in the pot. After all if you deem it finished and have put money in the pot, you will basically guarantee yourself that you get at least your money back so the risk is limited. It wouldn't really be for the thrill of competition or making a game or better themselves, it would just be to get a few quick bucks. I also wouldn't want to have a bad air in the competition and I feel this might turn sour. Besides most services like Paypal that you'd be collecting the money from will require a fee that would diminish the returns.</p> <p>Custom rewards on the other hand I actually kinda like. I mean you would get the final decision on who earns it, if you even want to go through with it, and there's no messy fee or legal handling issues. Not to mention it would make it easier to weed out and pop-in and goers who might not be here for the sake of competition or self-development. If we do end up going through with this I will most definitely put something up for an award. Probably a game on Steam that I would gift to the winner.</p> 
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				<title>Awards?</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2015 14:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>We had an idea stirring around in the chat room last competition, and Swatacular brought it up again yesterday. It's the idea of some sort of award or reward for people who work hard, get stuff done, and make awesome games in the competition.</p> <h2><span>The Pot and &quot;Serious Competitors&quot;</span></h2> <p>One idea was to have everybody who wanted pay $X into a pot. This would definitely be optional, and you'd be able to do the competition without doing this. We'd give these people a label of some sort, like &quot;Serious Competitors&quot; or something. (I'm sure there'd be a better name.)</p> <p>At the end of the competition all of the games made by the Serious Competitors would be assembled and given out to all of the other Serious Competitors. So for starters, your $X would be buying you a copy of all of those games, regardless of what else happens.</p> <p>If you complete your game (which probably self-determined, but it ought to have some level of functionality and entertainment value and be relatively bug free) then you will get a share of the pot, divided equally among all the Serious Competitors who also finished their game.</p> <p>So for example, let's say 4 people pay $10 each to form a $40 pot. Two of these people actually finish their game, while two do not (distractions/life). All 4 people get a copy of the two completed games, and the two winners would get $20 each, and have their first four customers! (Well&#8230; three, one is the person themselves.)</p> <p>I personally quite like this idea. I'm just a little nervous about gathering people's money and redistributing it, especially if people who didn't pay decided to come in at the last minute and claim they paid and won, demanding their share of the money.</p> <p>So despite liking it, I don't think it's all that viable, just because of legal concerns. (Unless somebody knows of a website that would allow us to do this or if somebody else is willing to risk it and collect and distribute the money.)</p> <h2><span>Custom Awards</span></h2> <p>The other idea that's been floating around is basically to open it up so that anybody who wants can offer their own little reward for whatever they deem interesting, preferably announcing it up front.</p> <p>So this would be something like me saying, &quot;I'm going to give out 3 awards at the end of the competition in the form of a $5 or $10 Steam gift card to</p> <ul> <li>The person that I feel learned the most during the competition,</li> <li>The person that worked the hardest during the competition, and</li> <li>The person who made the best game.</li> </ul> <p>The key being it's solely determined by me, the person offering the reward, and nobody can complain about fairness or getting their money back or anything. And if I chicken out and decide not to actually pay out the reward, nobody loses anything.</p> <p>In these awards, the person offering it becomes the judge, jury, and executioner. Everything about it is completely in their hands as far as the actual payment, what they are rewarding, and who they give it to.</p> <p>This idea is one I'm seriously entertaining personally, and I'd open it up to other people who might be interested in coming up with their own rewards and playing the role of competition judge.</p> <h2><span>The Real Winner Is&#8230;</span></h2> <p>The purpose of doing some sort of award like this is to provide additional motivation to do awesome things. The real reward of running a marathon is not the finisher's medal at the end, it's that you ran 26.2 miles, something few other people manage to pull off. The real reward of the competition is that you've made a game in a month, also something few people actually pull off.</p> <p>If we do these rewards, I don't want them to detract too much from the real reward. At this point, I'm only proposing a reward scheme, not announcing one. If you feel like this might cause more problems than it solves, I'd love to hear that.</p> <p>But at the moment, I'm thinking a little extra something something on top might help people focus better and get more things done.</p> <p>Thoughts?</p> 
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